tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post4313395662080081760..comments2023-12-06T23:11:19.362+08:00Comments on Musings of a Mualaf: I SAID IT THEN, I'M SAYING IT NOWaliyahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-84022887244339453832009-04-23T22:22:00.000+08:002009-04-23T22:22:00.000+08:00Greetings amoker,
I certainly don't expect everyon...Greetings amoker,<br />I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with my opinion. As Islam is the official religion of Malaysia, the government of the day has a great responsibility in safeguarding the interests of the Muslims and at the same time, ensuring that those of other religions are able to practise their own religions in peace. Fairness is important aspect in Islam but if there a greater danger that allowing the name Allah to be used to refer to the god of Christian would lead to confusion and disharmony among the people, then it should be nipped in the bud. I don't care a hoot about the terms used for God by those in other countries,but it has always been the understanding of Malaysians for generations especially in the West Malaysia that Allah is the name of the Muslim God. Say Allah to a Chinese ahpek or an Indian babu and they'd 99% would mention Islam. I've nothing against Catholic Christians but I think the Herald made an unwise move.aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-11905194619619912302009-04-23T15:49:00.000+08:002009-04-23T15:49:00.000+08:00Greetings,
I enjoyed reading this article and con...Greetings,<br /><br />I enjoyed reading this article and contrast that out with the writting by Khalid Samad ( the MP of Shah Alam). I like the ability of the writer to know everything but some people do have that ability.:) . Do read a bit more and you will find out that many assumptions are not what it is. yet I respect your writtings.<br /><br />From Ah Hong's blog...<br /><br />Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from God? those who incurred the curse of God and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!" (The Noble Quran, 5:60)"<br /><br />No magic trick here and note that "God" is "God".<br /><br />Anyway, I am a christian and have been reading quran as well. I think it is easy to come out with assumptions as truth. I am not perfect, and Christians ( and the church) is also not perfect because the praise is only for God and conversion/reversions are by Him. Does God need protection? Does He need our concerted plan to go into war with other people? Does He need me to argue and judge others?<br /><br />Ladies and gents, the way i see it is the lack of security and respect. Government arbitary decides on bans and that sets of reaction. It then set of another reaction when the Church is seemed to be bold. The fact is that IF the government speaks to the experts and consults the different parties with respect, this would not have happened. <br /><br />I respect your rights to use the name Allah, God or whichever. Maybe it is time to forgive and kill the hatred spirit?<br /><br />The parody is that since then, government has also banned the word Allantunya and Razak baginda.<br /><br />May God/Allah shines on you.amokerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11796429650849780970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-24334485845002719942009-04-03T00:35:00.000+08:002009-04-03T00:35:00.000+08:00Unlike you, i am not free today. however, i am put...Unlike you, i am not free today. however, i am putting all my other task on hold so that i can indulge in this mind tickling "discussion".<BR/><BR/>So, first of all, lets see the construction of the word Allah it self. The root word, Ilah is not a proper name. not until Muhammad decided it is anyway. it is just an arabic phrase which means The God. Al-Ilah.<BR/><BR/>Before islam came, every arab speaking person call their god (whomever it might be) as Allah or The God. Al- (as in the) and Ilah (as in God).<BR/><BR/>from wiki : <B>"Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[3] The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[6] (Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.) Arab Christians for example use terms Allāh al-ʼab (الله الأب) meaning God the father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) mean God the son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) meaning God the Holy Spirit (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God)."</B><BR/><BR/>and here is a very interesting quote from daarul Ehsan http://www.daar-ul-ehsaan.org/truth/faq.htm#Allaah<BR/><BR/><B>Allaah is the Arabic word for "one God", the same as Eloh in Armaic. Allaah is not God of Muslims only. He is God of all creations, because He is their Creator and Sustainer. </B><BR/><BR/><I>aliya : So it's proven that Arabic Bible has no word "Allah" only "ilah" or "elah"</I><BR/><BR/>At this point, i would like to request you to prove that there are words such as Ilah or Elah or Olah or whatever in the bible. any version. any language. please show me the mention of the word God (Ilah, Elah, Oleh) without the prefix Al (The) in the bible. As a reciprocal gesture, i am sending you here a link that documents the existence of the word Allah in the Arabic version of Bible. Now, I do not know which century this translation were made. but it is there anyway. and this piece of work is documented by muslims who quite funnily wanted to prove that the God in bible is indeed the same as God in Quran. I am wondering, which one of you guys are pissing off Allah at this moment :) Here's the link http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/BibAllah.html<BR/><BR/>So, I have proven to you that the word allah exists in the original form of its spelling in the arabic version of the bible.<BR/><BR/>Now, if you please, tell me if it is an insult to the original Islamic God, Allah (who by the way borrowed the name of the Chief God of pre-Islamic God of Kaaba, also Allah) or not.<BR/><BR/>If you have already discussed this matter and my other questions in your earlier post, please show me where, because i cannot find it.no namehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227548848513213018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-20921581709854207772009-04-02T22:10:00.000+08:002009-04-02T22:10:00.000+08:00LOLS!LOLS!ahonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345490908899965659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-81398885198809900052009-04-02T19:45:00.000+08:002009-04-02T19:45:00.000+08:00Obviously Shalini is new to this blog and my previ...Obviously Shalini is new to this blog and my previous discussions with other anonymouses, hehehe. For a self-claimed aethist, she sure is more eage than the Catholics themselves over this issue :P<BR/>Again I repeat, the first Arabic bible appeared in the 9th century and there was never the word "Allah" in it.The so-claimed original Biblical text in Hebrew too, the word "Allah" is never found. So it's proven that Arabic Bible has no word "Allah" only "ilah" or "elah". So why should be a need for it? Can? Why can, while they've never used it at all? hahahah..<BR/>All her 4 questions had already been discussed and answered in our previous comments so there's no further need to do so, heheheh. The only holy book that I know of in Malaysia written in Arabic is the al-Quran,and Allah is as we all-know, the name revealed by our Creator to prophet Muhammad through malaikat Jibril, so why should I think of an Arabic term for another person's god when they don't read their holy scriptures in Arabic? I am a Muslim! Shalini's question is what the Chinese call "kong-kam" hahahaa.. and I'm only commneting because I'm free today :)aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-23006555639253198642009-04-02T13:18:00.000+08:002009-04-02T13:18:00.000+08:00madam aliya,so, you are his type :) No wonder i fi...madam aliya,<BR/><BR/>so, you are his type :) No wonder i find your scribblings here an easy target<BR/><BR/>when real questions are asked, it is very typical for your types to resort into cliched accusation such as "blind and deft" and what not. the real questions remains. do you have any response to that? please tell.<BR/><BR/>by the way, your argument that muslims own the copyright of the word Allah in Malaysia because islam came to this country before christianity is heart shatteringly enlightening. i have very many genuine doubts to ask regarding that "logic". however, i shall hold them for now. do you have any response to my earlier question?<BR/><BR/>and ahong sir,<BR/>i must assume now, that you too are their type based on selective response you gave above. how is it possible that you have ample time to answer one question which is not in anyway important but find it necessary that i contact you personally for other relatively very important questions? please do not create smoke screen sir. do you or do you not have a response to my numbered questions above? if not, please as always, fold your tail between your legs and simply move away.<BR/><BR/>oh, and if it really matters that this discussion is continued via email, please send the response to my email address x.shalu(at)gmail.com i do not see the need to email you because you i already asked what i wanted to ask. You have the question now. if you have the answers too, please, and i am begging here, please share it with me <BR/><BR/>thank youno namehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227548848513213018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-32281100913419783162009-04-02T03:27:00.000+08:002009-04-02T03:27:00.000+08:00Waalaikumsalam sis,Ya, its obvious. Anyway I was b...Waalaikumsalam sis,<BR/><BR/>Ya, its obvious. Anyway I was bored then. Haha.<BR/><BR/>Its kinda sad to have this type of people in this world. I already guess where this will lead to when I read her comment. (maybe this is one reason why I deleted my old blogs).<BR/><BR/>I will only answer one question by miss Shalini,<BR/><BR/>She asked:<BR/>sir, being a former poor rural dweller, how is the current condition of your life now?<BR/><BR/>My answer:<BR/>My life gets better everyday. I worked hard for Allah so my life is beautiful and meaningful now. There is a sense of relief and i felt like a big burden was lifted off my back. <BR/><BR/>To miss Shalini, if you like to continue asking question, you have to email me at cheehongz@gmail.comahonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345490908899965659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-25900895075854048532009-04-01T20:52:00.000+08:002009-04-01T20:52:00.000+08:00Salam ahong,Good reply to Shalini but she is an ob...Salam ahong,<BR/>Good reply to Shalini but she is an obvious "rejecter", don't fall into her trap of leading you along a string of questions.When a person clearly hides under a pseudonym of anonymouse named Shalini,he/she does not merit any answers.aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-9306104119726236462009-04-01T20:41:00.000+08:002009-04-01T20:41:00.000+08:00Shalini without-a-public-profile ,Hmmm, I see that...Shalini without-a-public-profile ,<BR/>Hmmm, I see that you are still itchy to comment? hahahah..I know mahaguru well, and he'd refuse to admit people like you for one obvious reason - you prefer to find fault rather than to seek the truth about your own existence. You yak-yak-yak as you like, but obviously you won't accept our explanation. No siree- it's more fun for you to point fingers and make snide remarks about people, God and missionaries. Tsskk, tssk, tskk, you make a mockery of yourself actually.You have eyes but you refuse to see, you have ears but you refuse to listen, you have a brain but you refuse to use it to think and reflect. A "rejecter" ( I will not use the arabic term) is what you are, and we shall not waste time entertaining you.aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-31013409835560923372009-04-01T12:43:00.000+08:002009-04-01T12:43:00.000+08:00Dear Ahong,Thank you for taking so much of time in...Dear Ahong,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for taking so much of time in analyzing my life. i am very flattered. <BR/><BR/>However, (and please, i am so sorry to be the one breaking your bubble), i do not have any religion. a simple google search gave me the definition of religion from wikipedia "A religion is a set of tenets and practices, often centered upon specific supernatural and moral claims about reality, the cosmos, and human nature, and often codified as prayer, ritual, or religious law. ...". Most other definition are also almost the same.<BR/><BR/>see, i do not believe in any form of supernatural being and the only set of moral values i follow is that which suit me and they are never specific. prayer? ritual? i'd rather waste my time see my dog wag his tail than to perform any ritual or prayer.<BR/><BR/>and please, i do not know what scientim is, much less be a member of such religion. <BR/><BR/>and, yes of course, i agree hundred percent with you that the root of science is islam. in fact the root of humand kind as a whole can be traced to islam, yes? (kind of reminded me about the russian who claimed they built the toilet seat before others discovered they can shit)<BR/><BR/>ad yes, you are ultimately correct too. i am a complete immature asshole as much as you think. ad please sir, with my limited capacity, the most i can read now is Pulliankuzhu (it's a very nice story about the journey of a butterfly by the renowned children book writer Vaikom Mohamed Basheer). Please do not expect me to read more on such deep subjects of the profound religions such as Islam and Cristianity. However, if you can (and i am sure, being as enlightened a person as you are, you certainly can), <BR/><BR/>1. please explain to me, Can the word allah be used in arabic version of the bible. <BR/><BR/>2. if it can, wouldn't that also be considered an insulted to the esteemed Islamic God, the original Allah?<BR/><BR/>3. If it is also not allowed, please suggest an appropriate arabic word to replace the word Allah. my arabic is not good but God in arabic, as pointed by the writer of this blog is Ilah and when u attach "The" prefix to show the singularity it becomes Al-Ilah or Allah. Please suggest sir, so we can proceed to make amendments to all bibles before the original Allah gets pissed off and sue on copyright infringement.<BR/><BR/>4. is the restriction of the use of the copyrighted word only on bibles, or do we need to rewrite all other holy books of other religions too?<BR/><BR/>sir, being a former poor rural dweller, how is the current condition of your life now? i hope you are enjoying better conditions of life and not subjected to daily conversion rituals for a plate of rice.<BR/><BR/>Sir, being a complete idiot that i am, it is unavoidable that i contradict myself every time. however, what i mean is only this. although i am an atheist, every body dear to my life are theist of one variety or another. most of them are muslims and christian. so, by being surrounded by the rituals of christians and muslims, i have unknowingly adapted the cultural values of my people. where i am living now, when we meet people on the street, we say assalam alaikum, whithout even bothering which god the person worship. that is our culture. of course sir, this village is not in malaysia.<BR/><BR/>and i have an identity problem too. sir, your ability to analyize people is outstanding. please sir, can we meet for some fortune-telling session.can you read my palms? <BR/><BR/>i am very fortunate not to be born or become a scientist sir. otherwise i also will have the unfortunate destiny of learning that God Exists!!<BR/><BR/>Now sir, please enlighten me of those numbered question.<BR/><BR/>till then, i remained yours, as always, devoted. :)no namehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227548848513213018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-58843313709711207992009-03-31T11:45:00.000+08:002009-03-31T11:45:00.000+08:00Hi Shalini,Since you say you are an atheist, it me...Hi Shalini,<BR/><BR/>Since you say you are an atheist, it means that you do not believe in God at all, so I will write it in a scientific way. But reading your comment, I feel the need to clarify something you wrote.<BR/><BR/>Religion is important because it affects the way you live. You also have a religion and it is called scientism. This governs the way you act and think. You put science at the very top above all things. That means that you do not believe in anything else except so called logical science.<BR/><BR/>Well for you information, science comes from a very long history. And the very root of science is Islam. You see the modern science must come from a foundation laid out by the muslim scientist. You learn this in 'history' in school. To give more prove in this, many atheist have thank Muhammad(pbuh) and Islam in the contribution to science.<BR/><BR/>I do not appreciate the story and of missionary and the language involved in your explanation. It only show that you are not mature and you do not understand Islam or Christianity enough. I suggest that you learn about Islam or Christianity.<BR/><BR/>I understand the condition of 'poor rural dwellers'. More than u can understand them. I used to live among them. TQ. Islam as a true religion of God never allow is followers to use 'dirty trick'.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, you contradict yourself by saying that you are an atheist and you think that Islam and Christianity is a part of your culture. If Islam or Christianity is a part of your culture then in some way you believe that God exist and that contradicts with you being an atheist.<BR/><BR/>As an atheist you do not believe in heaven of hell as well. I believe that you have a identity problem. You are more like a teenager drown in Hollywood and Bollywood culture rather than an atheist.<BR/><BR/>You said that as an Indian, Islam has always been part of your culture. That is not true. Yes the Malay culture is very similar to the Indian culture but not Islam. (No where near or similar in any condition)<BR/><BR/>Many scientist came to learn that God exist and Islam is the truth. I pray that one day, you will open your heart to God.ahonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345490908899965659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-47684275978380572722009-03-31T09:21:00.000+08:002009-03-31T09:21:00.000+08:00actually,i read this in the most esteemed blog of ...actually,<BR/>i read this in the most esteemed blog of the most esteemed alliance (the MBA) however, since i am an unworthy kaafir, i am not allowed to register and post my comment there. such an exclusivity is a must i guess so as not to tarnish the esteemed preciousness of the esteemed members of such esteemed alliance. but i get so itchy to comment, i came here. <BR/><BR/>the actual problem is, there are alot of happy and jolly atheists and nature worshipers in the rural east of east malaysia. in another word, there's an abundant of resources, gold to be mined by the missionaries of both sides. after all for Christians and Muslims alike, numbers is everything. that's why everyday in very many tv channels we'll here such and such (depending on which Chanel you are) religion is the fastest growing or largest religion or the most popular crap etc.<BR/><BR/>So the missionaries on both sides are fighting for the souls of poor rural dwellers there. converting and reverting and reconverting is a norm. you give them a dollar, they'll attend the yaasin at the surau. give them ten, they'll go to the church mass the very next day. such wise jolly good community. they don't actually care if god is called allah or bart simpson for that matter.<BR/><BR/>but for the missionaries, numbers is everything. a certain number of converts will give them one point which can be redeemed to get on step up to the heaven. its that crucial. so tricks needed to be employed. dirty tricks included. among them are using god's name interchangeably. also, promising (but not necessarily fulfilling) basic necessities like clean water and school for kids if you are at the "government" side.<BR/><BR/>and if you have "power" you can also strike the movement of the other side using the resources you have as being on the side of power, namely the court. so when the christian uses the word Allah to confuse the poor jolly good community to confuse them further about this religion crap that they have no other need except the few dollars received by attending masses and yaasin, the muslim went crying to the court.<BR/><BR/>i am an atheist. no god can have my soul. but i say inshallah every time i make promises. and when i am in a state of unbeliability, i'll utter jeses christ! i say ya allah and mashaallah every day too. i am an indian an as an indian islam has always been part of my culture. so has christianity. it has nothing to do with my affliction to either deity. and i am very sure the poor jolly good atheist community in rural east share the same sentiment as me.<BR/><BR/>only the missionaries who are racing towards the heaven's door are so passionate in getting the right to use Allah.<BR/><BR/>Ya Allah!!!no namehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227548848513213018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-29524734561482569212009-03-10T00:25:00.000+08:002009-03-10T00:25:00.000+08:00Assalaamu'alaykum sis aliya,Inshaa Allaah you are ...Assalaamu'alaykum sis aliya,<BR/><BR/>Inshaa Allaah you are well. Haven't been to your blog in a while, very enlightening articles mashaa Allaah!<BR/><BR/><BR/>About this issue.. perhaps it is solely political, what do you think..?<BR/>Perhaps some non-Muslims in this country are trying to 'push their luck' and see how far they can go when it comes to dabbling in issues that involve Muslims..<BR/><BR/>It really isn't about "We want to use Allaah" but more of "Let's see how much they will bow down to our demands in Islamic matters.."<BR/><BR/>Just food for thought.<BR/><BR/>We don't go dabbling in their religion, but they are happily doing much damage to ours, and sadly, the politicians have no knowledge or sense, and have allowed it all because of political standing.<BR/><BR/>May we all fear Allaah and not His creation, ameen..Rayhanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11159727543391565836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-82406011331613696852009-03-07T07:03:00.000+08:002009-03-07T07:03:00.000+08:00Waalaikumussalam ahong,Yes, thanks for the informa...Waalaikumussalam ahong,<BR/>Yes, thanks for the information. Readingislam.com is a large website and it takes a long time to read every article. So alhamdulillah for ahong's latest comment.<BR/><BR/>I quote from http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996015812 <BR/>" Let us now look at the Arabic word Allah - we can immediately recognize the English word “all”, indeed we have herein one of the best characteristics of Allah’s attributes; The All-Knowing, All-Seeing, All-Hearing, All-Merciful etc. Every baby born anywhere in the world has, as his first utterance the short “a” sound. No new born ever cried out with an “s” or a “t” or a “d” or a “b” sound! All exclaim the “a” as an expression of the oneness of humanity, in relation to its Creator. <BR/>Also, all final deathbed gasps exhale the “h”, the last letter of the name of Allah. This is because He is the First and the Last! When we scream in pain or cry out in fear, or grunt and groan during strenuous exercise or disgust, or exclaim in joy or surprise, it is the very same… “ahhh”, and not the “g” of the word God that we all emit. This reality is intrinsic in our innermost selves, something out of our control!! <BR/>Why is this so, you may ask. It is because the word Allah refers to the concept of that which all turn to for refuge and repose. Without finding this state of rest and security, we are in a constant state of frustration and irritability. Our souls all yearn to reach the place of contentment, which can only be found by knowing Allah as He has revealed Himself to us, in the Qur’an. <BR/>Another interesting facet of the two related languages is the relation of the words “man” and “woman”. The word “man” (mim, nun) in Arabic is the personal pronoun for the human being, as in the English word “man”. Both languages use the term also in the sense of “who”. Therefore, the usage of the term “man” is nearly identical in both languages! <BR/>The word “wa” in Arabic means “and”. In English the word “woman” could be seen to be derived from the concept of a partner to the man. Therefore, the woman or “waman” as it might be more correctly rendered, can be construed as meaning “and-man” or “together with man”, the couple which forms the very essence of the human race… "<BR/>Well.. that's something we can add to our dakwah to non-Muslims :)aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-55623532062271226752009-03-07T00:43:00.000+08:002009-03-07T00:43:00.000+08:00Assalamualaikum sis,I find some interesting materi...Assalamualaikum sis,<BR/><BR/>I find some interesting material and I would like to share and its regarding this topic as well. Thanks<BR/><BR/>http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996015812ahonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345490908899965659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-50372942457380060782009-03-04T13:26:00.000+08:002009-03-04T13:26:00.000+08:00Salam kak Aliya.True. The issue here, as i said ea...Salam kak Aliya.<BR/><BR/>True. The issue here, as i said earlier, is how the usage of Allah in the christian publication would be used to confuse the simple minded muslims. Yes, maybe we are quite fortunate to be able to differentiate Allah in Islam and in the christian minds, but then again, not everyone is capable of having our way of thinking. <BR/><BR/>While the effort to take advantage of the christian deviation is good, we should first see the adverse effect that might be the outcome of this usage in the future. It is always better to prevent than to cure.Cik Linhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08175276448987251838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-63880453259132732462009-03-04T01:25:00.000+08:002009-03-04T01:25:00.000+08:00Assalamualaikumi stand by your opinion kak Aliya. ...Assalamualaikum<BR/><BR/>i stand by your opinion kak Aliya. <BR/><BR/>WasalamAzlan Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17855882481022165588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-7793660094143571282009-03-03T22:14:00.000+08:002009-03-03T22:14:00.000+08:00Waalaikumussalam Sakinah,Yes, I do understand that...Waalaikumussalam Sakinah,<BR/>Yes, I do understand that the natives in Sarawak have been given Christian literature in B.Indonesia. We are not protesting the use of B.Indonesia bibles for Sarawakian Catholics but the use of the name 'Allah' to refer to God as worshipped by Roman Catholic Christians in the Malay version of the Herald newsletter.<BR/>I quote you "Kalau bahasa kami pula, "tuhan" itu disebut lain lagi", so why still insist on the term 'Allah' when other words could be used? <BR/>Indonesia may be the most populated Muslim nation but the laws of that country is different from what we practise here.I for one, do not wish to see what's happening to the general Muslim population in Indonesia to occur here in Malaysia.aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-75993518726200128032009-03-03T21:56:00.000+08:002009-03-03T21:56:00.000+08:00Waalaikumussalam KakChik, imm,azlan,ahong, mal887,...Waalaikumussalam KakChik, imm,azlan,ahong, mal887, jr,<BR/>KakChik & imm, Yes, well said.. <BR/>Have you ever wondered why this issue of wanting to publish newsletter using the terminology is brought up only now, and not decades ago? Wonder why only in these few years we hear about born Muslims becoming Christians etc? <BR/>ahong, Amar Makruf Nahi Mungkar. We have been given the hidayah, we think hard but not everyone will have these gifts. That's why we need to do dakwah to others, and at the same time esure that our own Muslim brothers and sisters are not swayed by the Christian propaganda. <BR/>mal887, agree with you.<BR/>If you are already confused by those terminology, imagine a young Muslim teenager who is just learning about Islam and have close friends passing the literature about a Christian Allah to him/her.aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-24785663761451797652009-03-03T21:39:00.000+08:002009-03-03T21:39:00.000+08:00Waalaikumussalam azlan,ahong, There've been many c...Waalaikumussalam azlan,ahong, <BR/>There've been many cases of born Malays becoming murtad, of Muslim reverts among orang asli who turned to Christianity, and one of the reasons is the use of literature in Malay. When words used are similar, people can easily become confused, especially among the less-educated and not-so-strong Muslims. <BR/>ahong, the issue here is not about trying to turn Christians into Muslims by using His Holy name. The real issue is whether we agree to let the Roman Catholics to spread their Christian teachings among Malaysians using the terms "Allah", solat, Kaabah etc, which all this while has been gazetted as words relating to Islam. Should we allow Roman Catholics to tell people to pray to Allah - in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit? Would allah be pleased with us, the Muslims in Malaysia if we allow that to take place?aliyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218183427774411196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-30819869266256621642009-03-03T20:53:00.000+08:002009-03-03T20:53:00.000+08:00Salam, I'm getting into both opinions here. While ...Salam, <BR/>I'm getting into both opinions here. While we should take advantage of the use of Allah by Christians we should also on the other hand be very careful with any hidden agenda. While more literate muslims look forward to da'wah with the non-muslims it will take a great effort to ensure that the less literate one (quite a number) will not hooked up to the opposite beliefs. About the use of Allah in Indonesia, I've stumbled upon them through reading their novels back at secondary school. I recalled reading 'Karmilla' where the author frequently uses 'tuhan', 'bunda maria' and Allah at the same time. It was quite confusing at first until the part when the main character visits a church then only I realize she is a christian. Even the term 'naudzubillah' was used when the main charater refer to bad occurences.jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00538944167981095026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-90832473581771824692009-03-03T18:54:00.000+08:002009-03-03T18:54:00.000+08:00Salam Semua;Pandangan saya begini. Tujuan mereka s...Salam Semua;<BR/><BR/>Pandangan saya begini. Tujuan mereka sebenarnya bukan untuk kegunaan mereka sahaja tetapi mempunyai serampang dua mata. Kalau kerajaan luluskan penggunaan Kalimah Allah itu, maka mereka akan menjalankan Propaganda untuk mempengaruhi orang Islam yang tipis Islamnya dan remaja2 Islam yang kononnya ingin hidup bebas bahawa 'TUHAN KITA SAMA = ALLAH' cuma yang membezakan ALLAH ISLAM banyak larangan TETAPI 'ALLAH' mereka memberikan KEBEBASAN hidup bebas, minum arak dsbnya... fikir2kanlah... DAKYAH MEREKA MEMPUNYAI NIAT DISEBALIKNYA.... awasi anak-anak kita..mal887https://www.blogger.com/profile/06725432972950168723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-37356521029589622152009-03-03T10:50:00.000+08:002009-03-03T10:50:00.000+08:00Interesting article on your blog brother. Lets thi...Interesting article on your blog brother. Lets think of it in a reverse way. People in this region always have the fear of Christianity. And it is because of this mind set that most will actually not learn other religion other than their own. Without clear understanding of Christianity the people will know the truth of this religion. If one know Christianity well, he/she wont be trapped by the Christian missionaries.<BR/><BR/>Ok going back to looking back at reverse, if we look at the western world, more and more people are reverting to Islam. The question is why? The best answer to fit that is because the of the da'wah done by our brothers and sisters in the western world. This people came to a conclusion that there is corruption in their religion (Christianity) and then find the truth of Islam. How do we share Islam to people who tries to find God/Allah? Do we say something like' you know YOUR GOD is false?'<BR/>or ' YOUR GOD IS NOT GOD ?'. I would say 'you know OUR GOD is....'<BR/><BR/>Its easy to reason out that Jesus is not Allah. Even the Coptic Christians knows that. A sane mind will.<BR/><BR/>In the Malaysian case, I will only blame myself of not doing enough da'wah. Malaysia have so many muslims but how many tried to reach out to the non-muslims? I have talked to some Asli people and most will tell you that muslim here will help in their reversion but eventually they will stop visit and it ends there. While the Christian missionaries will come over from time to time and they will bring money and gift in every visit.<BR/><BR/>As for the conversion of Malay muslims to Christians, I can tell you that its not because they were confused of Christianity but its because they are confused by the Islam practiced in Malaysia.<BR/>'Christian easy ma, Islam so hard'<BR/>I heard this words before.<BR/><BR/>We have so many muslims and we cant fight a bunch of Christian missionaries? Anyone can see how strong the Malaysian muslim's faith is. After so many years of independance, how many of us spread the truth and share Islam to the non-muslim. Maybe thats the reason the late Ahmad Deedat call us Malaysian muslim spineless 'obor-obor'.<BR/><BR/>Bad intention only can only appear because of there is a 'chance'. That chance or weakness is from us. Anyway the Hindu sangam will not succeed because even if they do, will they call all their deity Allah? Same name? Hahahaha... 'membuka pekung di dada'<BR/><BR/>I look on the positive side of the name 'Allah' to be used by the Christians. They will not succeed to convert the literate people, they will look for the people who are illiterate and do not have knowledge in Islam. They will look for the people who are abandoned by the muslims in Malaysia.<BR/><BR/>I am sorry if I offended anyone with my ideas. Maybe I just look at the situation in another angle.<BR/><BR/>Wsalamahonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345490908899965659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-10042030964381411352009-03-03T10:24:00.000+08:002009-03-03T10:24:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.ahonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345490908899965659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6218313360696306951.post-31108042492042522622009-03-03T02:40:00.000+08:002009-03-03T02:40:00.000+08:00Assalamualaikumi try to clarify something. what re...Assalamualaikum<BR/><BR/>i try to clarify something. what really happened in indonesia now and then is being applied in malaysia right now. i write about this issue briefly in my blog.<BR/><BR/>what we have in indonesia is actually the work of dutch orientalist named christiaan snouck hurgronje. he was employed by dutch east indies (VOC) to infiltrated Muslim opposition especially in acheh. acheh in that time was like kelantan. its their 'serambi Mekah', where for decades Muslims fighting wars against colonial dutch.<BR/><BR/>eventually they tried other method to forced achenese into submission. one of the method they used is what we have nere today, using word 'Allah' when refering to christian god. <BR/><BR/>while in some part i agreed with ahong, (some part only), we argue the doctrin of 'god' in christianity itself. and rather that doctrin is fit into what Islam has teach us in Al Quran and As Sunnah about Allah The Allmighty, which in my opinion, is not. in Al Quran Allah said 'He begets not nor is He begotten'. this clearly answered what the christian claim fo holy trinity and the oknum, what-so-ever it is.<BR/><BR/>as in Usul Al Fiqh, there is Qaidah of Sadd Al Zari'ah of Zara'ik. its means in simple term as blocking the means. in practice its better to close the door which can lead to destruction even before the disasters itself occur. <BR/><BR/>in this case like i said earlier there is 'mala fide' or evil intention involved in this issue. we can see before this the catholic claim they have right to use word Allah refering god. if you all remember hindu sangam has claim injunction to intervene in this case, as they also claim right to use word Allah when refering hindu deity. and also we can see they gain support not only from same religious faith, but from other faith such as buddhist, sikh etc. its in reality is an assult toward Islam and Muslims in malaysia.<BR/><BR/>WasalamAzlan Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17855882481022165588noreply@blogger.com